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My Holiday with McCain

Final Update:

Published in Telling Thoughts – Latest News Articles 21/10/08

McCain’s Fiji Holiday Letter / A Farce
Link: http://www.tellingthoughts.com/asides/mccains-fiji-holiday-letter-a-farce

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A Telling  Thoughts Comment

Endeavours are being made to contact the actual author direct even though  authentication was verified with the original poster Gabriel Hurtado, named on the Obama site shown below. Emails have gone to the Washington corporation address of the forwarder for further information.  At this stage we have no reason to doubt the letter  based on John McCain’s record, but realise it could be a nasty hoax designed to hurt those who do not support McCain. Hopefully the next 24 hours will provide the answer. I will publish any reply.

 Update 1 * 17/9 – NB. Kathy the forwarder of the letter has sent me an email reply. It is published below. I have requested her to ask her friend, Ana, apparently the actual author of the email, to contact me on this matter asap. 

Update 2 * 17/9 – NB. : Phoned Washington DC.  Kathy is awaiting a reply from Ana to her email , will email me as soon as she hears something.

Update 3* 17/9 – NB.  Am now advised that the author is Anasuya Dubey PsyD. Apparently Ana is a highly regarded person and a Clinical Psychologist who was operating and studying in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2005. We are trying to contact her. If anyone can supply me with her email address it would be most appreciated. Please send details to john@tellingthoughts.com

Update* 18/9 – NB. Received an email this morning 18/9/08 @ 6.32 am from a Dr Michael Bower who claims to know Ana personally. He claims she has informed him that she has been speaking to a magazine which has requested her not to contact other media until a decision is made as to whether to go to print with Ana’s story.

NB. My immediate response..

Dear Dr Michael Bower /
Thank you for your email regarding the yet unacknowledged letter titled My Holiday with McCain. Sir, as you appear to have the ability to contact Ms Anasuya Dubey, I appeal to you to have her contact me directly to personally claim or reject authorship of this article. It is clear that whoever wrote the original piece wanted it placed in the public arena. However this is a double sided coin. It is now reasonable to expect the author if genuine, to publicly acknowledge his or her ownership of the document.
Otherwise I am left with no option but to write an article stating that while the public could accept the possibility that the author now fears retribution if located, the letter could just as easily be the instrument of a well orchestrated hoax, albeit an elaborate one. In which case, if the letter is genuine, the originally stated goal of the author will never be realised. Truth must out. / Dr Bower I am sure you will agree, we need transparency here and now.

Fortune follows the Brave!
Thank you for contacting me, 
Best Wishes
/John Hay

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Update No One — posted 9 /10 – I was emailed a phone number to call on 23 rd September,and on calling the number I spoke to a woman who identified herself as Anasuya Dubey. Ana claimed she was the author of My Holiday with McCain and that she had kept a journal which noted the contents of her letter and her experience with McCain in Fiji. She informed me that she had been approached by a number of members of the media including Barbara Walters, but had decided only at that stage to give the story to a female journalist at The New Yorker magazine. According to Ana, the magazine declined to run the story after it was written. Ana claimed that the story could be corroborated and that it was likely to be published in about a week’s time in The Washington Post. When I inquired of her again on 3rd October by email, Ana said that Michael Leahy a leading Journalist from the Washington Post was interviewing her husband that day and that – quote ” it seems highly likely that the Post will run a story sometime next week on the basis of my story. I will send you an email once he tells me exactly when a story is going into their paper”. end of quote. ————-

Update No Two — posted 9/10 – On 6th October I phoned Ana again in America and left a message inquiring about progress with the Post. I also indicated that I had left a message on Michael Leahy’s answering machine at the Washington Post requesting he either ring or email me to confirm that he was talking to you. I said that I had not heard from Mr Leahy by either phone or email since making the call. In my message to Ana, I said that unless I heard from her within 24 hours I would have no choice but to assume the letter was part of an elaborate hoax etc. I recelved her emailed reply a few hours later. It read – quote:

Dear John,–
“I understand your need to hear that the story that my husband and I are telling is not a hoax (and we assure you it is not!).  We are trying to have it corroborated by a major newspaper and all this is taking more time and energy than we anticipated.  Newspapers have there own individual thresholds to meet — I believe we will hear definitely from the paper we are working with this week as to whether their findings on our story meet their threshold to publish a version if it. Naturally, I will respect whatever you need to do for your blog and it’s efforts”. — Thank you for your patience. — Anasuya

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Update No Three — posted 9/10 – Later that day on the 6th October I sent this email reply to Ana. quote–
Dear Ana
.. I will wait a few more days before doing anything on this matter. But I do need something more concrete than email assurances. Best Wishes – John 

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If accurate it says much about the true character of the real John McCain and is further evidence of the fact that he is totally unfit to occupy the office of President of the United States. Every American needs to read this letter to appreciate how unfit McCain is for any public office, much less the Presidency! McCain is living a lie. He is a clear and present danger to the United States.[signature]   

My Holiday with McCain

It was just before John McCain’s last run at the presidential nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle Island in Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including Bridget (their adopted Bangladeshi child). It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close quarters with John McCain for almost a week since Turtle Island has a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals force all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each other intimately.

He arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first thought was “if he likes this so much, why hasn’t he memorized any of this yet?”  I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his “readings” which then became a regular part of each meal.  Out of politeness, none of the vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful holiday, but people’s buttons definitely got pushed as the readings continued day after day.

Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime entertainment.  He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just couldn’t meet up to this standard.  He also made it a point that all of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she needed to lose weight. McCain’s appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that David the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other side of the table from McCain as McCain kept aggressively flirting with and touching her.

Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego, and his rude behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must have some redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child from Bangladesh .  I asked him about this one day and his response was shocking -“Oh, that was Cindy’s idea – I didn’t have anything to do with it.  She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me.  You can’t imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona .  No, it wasn’t my idea at all.”

I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time.  I was shocked when he said “if I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson”.  Given McCain’s personal experience with the horrors of war I had expected a more balanced point of view.  I commented on the tragic consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII – but no, he was not to be dissuaded.  He went on to say that if it was up to him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan .  I rapidly extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his experience being tortured as a POW didn’t seem to have mellowed out his perspective but rather had made him more aggressive, and vengeful towards the world.

My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was leaving Turtle Island .  Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when McCain arrived and told Amy that she shouldn’t be having pancakes because she needed to lose weight.  Amy burst into tears at this abusive comment.  I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately turned to McCain and told him to leave her alone.  He became very angry and abusive towards me, and said “don’t you know who I am” and I looked him in the face and said “yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever met” and headed back to my cabin.  I am happy to say that later that day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the guests for having stood up to McCain’s bullying.

Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends, this is the first time I am making this public.  I almost did so in 2000, when McCain first announced his bid for the Republican nomination but it soon became apparent that George Bush was the shoo-in candidate and so I did not act then.  However, now that there is a very real possibility that McCain could be elected as our next president, I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story. I can’t imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation.  I have observed him in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays him to be.  If his attitudes toward women, and his treatment of his own family are even a small indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our President.

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Dear John,

 

Thank you so much for your email re the McCain story. I really appreciate your following up.I did not write the original email or story but forwarded it from a friend who knows Ana, the woman who had this experience. Since that is the case, kindly remove my name and work address from your blog immediately. I understand she (Ana) has contacted the New York Times and the Washington Post  as well as the people who were on Turtle Island with her.I am trying to reach her to ask if I can give out her name. I regret my email was mistakenly sent from my work email whereas it should have been sent via my personal email.

 

Kathy Sreedhar


Original Message —– From: gabriel hurtadoTo: San Antonio for Barack ObamaSent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:18 AMSubject: [SanAntonioforBarackObama] My Holiday with McCain, POSSIBLE TRUE STORY ABOUT THE REAL MCCAIN, not anonymous, please readCheck out this encounter with McCain. It was sent to us by Kathy Sreedhar whom you might remember from our wedding at Devigarh. ————————————————————————- This email was sent to 350 members of San Antonio for Barack Obama This email was sent from gabriel hurtado hurtado.gabriel@gmail.com Listserv email address: SanAntonioforBarackObama@groups.barackobama.com Your reply will be sent to: SanAntonioforBarackObama@groups.barackobama.com Unsubscribe or change your email settings: http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/SanAntonioforBarackObama/listserv-unsub ————————————————————————-

Discussion

142 comments for “My Holiday with McCain”

  1. Mary Kay Gamel is not supposed to be the author of this narrative, whose name is Anasuya Dubey, as anyone who has actually read this thread would know. This appears to be an example of obscurantism that is intended to muddy the water, a practice that Karl Rove has patented and perfected during the Bush years.

    Posted by James Fetzer | October 3, 2008, 8:32 am
  2. James if you are speaking to what I posted you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I never said Prof. Gamel wrote the post. And don’t you dare liken me to Karl Rove.

    Not only that my blog sheds light on the truth, so save your obscurantism for someone who gives a damn.

    Yous Truly,

    Lies

    http://www.liesliesmorelies.blogspot.com

    Posted by Lies | October 3, 2008, 3:20 pm
  3. It seems clear to me that regardless of whether this account can be proven that there are genuine facts (as pointed out earlier in the thread) regarding McCain’s attitude towards women and his foul-mouthed nature. So for me it actually doesn’t matter if this is true because while looking into the facts I have learned more about him in the process.

    I am inclined to believe this story only because I have to agree that nothing about it really seems that outlandish. I have never been to Turtle Bay but I have visited islands in Fiji, and they all had the same communal meal times that were referred to in this account. Mainly it’s the fact that this account paints McCain as simply obnoxious and unpleasant to be around, and not anything more that makes it seem plausible. If on the other hand there was an accusation of abuse or scandal I might be a bit more skeptical. But if this is an attempt at sabotaging McCain (or I guess Obama if you’re thinking of the backlash) then it seems far too weak a story to really cause much of an uproar.

    Posted by Rhonda | October 4, 2008, 3:34 am
  4. This thread has reached point of absurdity. We now have people saying whether the account is true or not, it is relevant because it confirms their pre-existing biases.

    Rhonda, James Fetzer, cf – I do hope you are never on any jury or responsible for making any judgment that might impact me. You people are scary in a way McCain could only dream of.

    Posted by fred | October 4, 2008, 6:13 am
  5. PS – just about my FAVORITE part is where people say they think it’s true, but if it’s not, it must be a Republican plot. Those evil conservatives concocted it to make a suckers of you.

    Let me assure you, you don’t appear to need any help there. Believing in what you wish were true tends to make fools out of people more often than not.

    Posted by fred | October 4, 2008, 6:22 am
  6. I abhor the thought of McCain as our President.

    But this letter is an obvious fake. Crude and lecherous as McCain is, he is not a complete lout. He would never refer to his adopted daughter as “that ugly thing.” He would not have enough interest in literature to demand that others listen to his readings of Faulkner. he may have admired the man, but I seriously doubt McCain is up to reading –let alone understanding — the stream of consciousness literary technique used by Faulkner.

    Put this letter to rest as yet another ugly and vicious email hoax.

    Posted by ellen | October 4, 2008, 11:42 pm
  7. Posted by Mike | October 6, 2008, 1:43 am
  8. I e-mailed Kate Marianchild, whose name and e-mail address apeared as part of the chain in one of the two versions of ‘my holiday with…’, and promptly received this reply:

    Dear [Leo],

    Ana Dubey wrote the story. My cousin has known Ana and her husband for many years. I have talked with my cousin and she absolutely vouches for Ana.

    Mary-Kay Gamel received it from someone on my list and apparently someone she sent it to someone who forwarded in a way that appeared to attribute it to her.
    Sincerely,
    Kate Marianchild

    So what is the status of the ‘my vacation’ letter being truly corroborated, preferably by a trustworthy news organization?

    The letter really seems both believable (since McCain has obvious tendencies toward being a jerk) and unbelievable – since even a jerk might be more guarded with some comments, though the female software developer’s experiences are also noted and believable.

    How about the people who seem to know Ana(suya) Dubey? For example “Anon Ymous” – what is the status of all this?

    Thanks. Leo

    Posted by LeoDaCat | October 6, 2008, 6:00 am
  9. PLLEEEEAASSEE! Let this get verified in the MSM so all the creeps on this site who were supposedly “above” this sort of thing will have to eat their words. With the lies now being spewed forth by McCain and Palin about Obama’s friendship with terrorists (he must be plotting to blow up the white house once he gets in, huh?) – now would be an excellent time for this story to come out. PLEEEEAASSSEEE!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WEEK!!!!! PLEASE!

    Posted by concerned | October 6, 2008, 1:32 pm
  10. concerned, I fear I may be one of the ‘creeps’ you mentioned, but would you mind giving me a more precise definition? Words often seem SO emotionally laden, but have no real meaning. They are what the hot-tempered and poorly educated use instead of reasoned arguments.

    As far as the verbal force-feeding I am threatened with. I will take it now: I disagree with circulating vicious, scurrilous slanders merely on the basis of hoping they are true. And will you, when/if this is proven to be fabricated, will you be coming online to admit to being gullible fool?

    Posted by fred | October 7, 2008, 6:23 am
  11. Senator McCain did vacation at Turtle Island during family time but I don’t recall the year. While Turtle Island does send guest comments to the US office, I quite there effective 31Dec2000 so would not have had access to any of them after that date, additionally I always considered the guest comments, good or bad, to be confidential unless the guest wanted them used. If the original author does come forward and confirms the story and it can be verified by other guests on the island at the time then it would appear that Senator McCain is not the same as the person he presents himself to be at this time.

    If this is an attempt by the Obama campaign to smear McCain that’s bad politics. If its a plant by the McCain campaign to make it appear that the Obama campaign is trying to smear McCain that’s just as bad.

    Posted by Bob | October 7, 2008, 8:18 am
  12. Leo, unfortunately none of the other quests are willing to corroborate this story for obvious fear of retribution.

    For those of you who believe this story to be fake, or an obvious smear from the Obama campaign, I don’t have a retort for you – you are free to interpret this in any manner you see fit.

    The author has approached several renowned publications to gauge their interest, and although all of them are interested, the fact that none of the other guests are willing to associate themselves with this story is a problem (obviously)! If that tells all you non-believers that this story is fake because no one else will step forward, well then so be it!

    Posted by Anon Ymous | October 8, 2008, 12:53 am
  13. What tells me the story is a fake is, aside from some content mistakes, is that the author hasn’t come forward. If she felt strongly enough to write this to begin with, she could call a press conference and it would be covered. What we have instead is a person who can’t be found relaying a story that can’t be verified through people who are equally elusive.

    There is simply too much similarity to that of the classic urban myth for anyone to accept it at face value. Or, Anon Ymous, your intent may be to prey on people’s gullibility to keep the pot boiling.

    I will leave you one last thought – if a person wanted to keep a outright lie alive, would they have preceded any differently from what we have seen here?

    Posted by fred | October 8, 2008, 4:49 am
  14. Here’s what Snopes.com has to say about it: http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/vacation.asp

    The Santa Cruz professor to whom this is ascribed (Anasuya Dubey, I assume) says she is not the author. However, there is a note on Snopes saying that “the true author is working with one particular news source to provide documentation,” so maybe we’ll hear more about it soon. It does sound like the author is male–presumably Amy’s husband or boyfriend.

    Posted by Quizkid | October 8, 2008, 1:11 pm
  15. Quizkid, the professor is not Ana, but the friend who forwarded the email, the information at snopes doesn’t specify who’s email is quoting.

    Editor Updates: Posted 9th October. I have posted 3 updates above this article relating to my contact with Anasuya Dubey, the claimed author of “My Holiday with McCain”. Those who have read this story may be interested. If anyone knows of Michael Leahy of the Washington Post, perhaps you could have him send me an email to john@tellingthoughts.com
    Thank you
    JH

    Posted by hawkview | October 9, 2008, 3:36 am
  16. Whether true or false, difficult to verify personal accounts should not be part of the public dialog in a presidential campaign.

    Editor: Tell that to John McCain. Who tells straight talk?outright lies. We have evidence of that. This matter is not concluded and bear in mind that simply because mainstream media does not go with with it, does not invalidate the letter. We will see.

    Posted by Jonathan Jerald | October 11, 2008, 8:27 am
  17. This story has been neither proved or disproved. The author, Anasuya Dubey, is a real person. She was listed living on 20th Ave in San Francisco in 1997.

    Posted by Halt | October 12, 2008, 12:35 pm
  18. I received this story via email. It is amazing to me how many people say they know “Ana”, yet “Ana” has yet to come forward. Why are we only hearing from “Ana’s” friends or people who know “Ana”. I am non-party affiliated. Months ago, when the smears on Obama landed in my inbox, I exercised my good senses and looked for answers. I do not forward these messages. I simply reply to all on the list it came from telling the senders to seek the truth prior to forwarding any email of this nature. It is wreckless for any citizen to forward something like this prior to verification. If “Ana” exists, she should have no trouble verifying this claim. All of the “friends” of “Ana” need to stop telling everyone how true this is and tell “Ana” to come forward. When I see “Ana” on any major news channel, I will happily agree, but until then, I feel like this story needs to be halted until all the facts are in.

    Posted by Jason | October 13, 2008, 1:24 am
  19. Sure, if this story is disproven, I will admit to being a gullible idiot. Absolutely! Agreed. So let’s see what happens.

    Posted by concerned | October 13, 2008, 5:07 am
  20. So that is the new standard of proof, concerned? That your enemies are guilty unless proven innocent? What proof would you even accept?

    Actually, no rational person will spend much time trying to prove or disprove much to most of this story’s supporters. Looking at the tenor of many of the posts, even if incontrovertible proof were provided, true believers would simply migrate to the next silly. unsupported rumor.

    There is never any shortage of scurrilous rumor in politics. Even if this one should be disproved, I am sure none of the people spreading it will be out of circulation long.

    Posted by fred | October 15, 2008, 7:15 am
  21. I agree that this is a lot of space devoted to an unsubstantiated story about a man we already know to be a megalomaniac.

    The Obama supporter who wrote we need to focus on Obama and what his vision, plans, policies, as well as his personal integrity…we need to stay focused on the positive.

    You become what you focus on.

    Editor: In the absence of any evidence to the contrary,Telling Thoughts has no option but to declare the letter a farce and a deliberate and unscrupulous attempt to damage the McCain campaign.

    Final update: McCain’s Fiji Holiday Letter / A Farce — http://www.tellingthoughts.com/asides/mccains-fiji-holiday-letter-a-farce

    Posted by amala | October 16, 2008, 4:31 pm
  22. A colleague of mine who worked at the San Francisco Bar Association with Ana Dubey in 1992 contacted her last night. She has confirmed this is her story and stands by it.

    Posted by Luke | October 23, 2008, 5:25 am
  23. Luke, unless you authored one book of the Bible, it’s hard to see why any one should take your word as gospel. No one knows who you are either.

    This story has pretty much followed the arc of any other urban myth – everybody knows some one with a friend who vouches for it, but there’s never any name or reliable evidence. As far as I know, Luke is just another name for one of the other panders of this story.

    As for Ana Dubey, isn’t it strange how she will confirm the story to any one who asks, but no independent person can find her or get anything like a confirmation that would even meet Wikipedia standards? It appears conspiracy theorists aren’t limited to nut-case reactionaries!

    Posted by fred | October 25, 2008, 1:16 am
  24. It’s hard to keep up with all the McCain stories- Bermuda vacations at taxpayers expense, car crashes with fatalities being covered up by the Navy….

    Posted by Halt | October 30, 2008, 10:00 am
  25. main points of the zone diet…

    Nevertheless there will always be a minority who will not get the point you are trying to make….

    Posted by Jack | November 3, 2008, 11:12 pm
  26. It’s great to see that the majority of Americans proved tonight that they have had enough of the 8 years of lies, war-mongering, economic collapse, tyranny, theft and socialism that the Republicans gave us. Finally folks in states like FL, CO, OH, IN woke up and smelled the roses…..Fred, you should too!

    Posted by Anon Ymous | November 5, 2008, 5:57 pm
  27. Ana Suya Dubey is real. I knew her when she was about 3 years old. I was a translator at the Indian Embassy in Brazil and her father, Shri Sushil Dubey was First Secretary. She was a tough cookie! We all loved her. Her mother was awfully beautiful. I just loved the 3 years I worked at that Embassy,,,

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